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The Russo-Ukrainian War turned into a trench war contrary to my expectations. The Russian ground forces' ability to break through such defences is shockingly and ridiculously marginal - I did not expect that.
This is a shocking display of incompetence in no small part because the recipe for breakthrough has very largely been found in 1917 already (Bruchmüller's artillery tactics and modern infantry training and small unit manoeuvring of Stoßtruppen).
You don't even need armoured vehicles for it. A skilful and sufficient application of artillery (and nowadays glide bombs) and a simultaneous assault by many infantry sections on a wide-enough sector would do the trick if supported by a few modern ingredients such as barrage jamming in the 0.2...1 kHz band and fragmentation protection vests.
So I decided to write this blog post in order to help readers arrange their thoughts on offensives in an orderly manner:
The forms of attacks are (I rephrase the official lingo a bit here):
- raid
- counterattack
- meeting engagement
- pursuit
- hasty attack
- deliberate attack with limited objectives
- breakthrough offensive
raid: The usual purpose is to storm one position, take prisoners of war, capture radios, get away without trying to hold any newly gained ground.
counterattack: Can happen from lowest to highest levels. Attackers are particularly vulnerable (position-wise and in terms of morale) to a sudden attack. So often times a company defending a trench system would immediately launch a platoon-sized counterattack when the signal arrives that enemy assault troops are reaching another platoon's position, for example.
meeting engagement: Both forces are entering battle in a mobile phase of war (does not apply to trench warfare).
pursuit: Similar to meeting engagement, except that one side doesn't want to accept battle other than for purposes of delay at most. Not very relevant in trench warfare.
hasty attack: This is a planned attack with up to a few hours of preparation.
deliberate attack with limited objectives: The Russians do n inept form of this very much. The objective is limited (such as capture this village, eliminate this bridgehead, create a bridgehead, take this hill, take this trench system) and "deliberate" communicates that there was plenty time for preparations.
breakthrough offensive: This is what happens very rarely, mostly by Ukrainians and successfully only against particularly weak Russian sectors (Kharkiv, Kherson and Kursk Oblast offensives).
I wrote before; we know how breakthrough could be achieved. The Russians appear to be too incompetent, the Ukrainians (also quite an 'amateur' army with few peacetime-trained troops) appear to be rather risk-averse and in fear or the consequences of a major defeat in battle.
But here's a problem: Breakthrough in itself is of marginal value. Germany broke through the Entente fronts in France in 1918 on unprecedented widths, yet it lost the war months later. The British created a glimpse of how to exploit a breakthrough when they created the "fast" Whippet tank in 1917. Post-WWI they did split up tank development in infantry tanks for breakthrough and cruiser tanks for exploitation. They didn't get much more than that right, though.
Exploitation requires more than just full motorisation and tanks that are faster than a bicycle. The German army developed the attitude and had the superior idea of what exploitation is good for in its Moltke the Elder's Cannae (encirclement battle) fixation. Blitzkrieg was created, characterised by (in 1940 and 1941) hugely successful breakthrough exploitations.
The Russians have another historical root that should and could have informed them how to do things well in a pursuit (Suvorov's battles-winning obsession with quickness and getting into a fight before the enemy is ready for it, on all levels). Imagine a boxing fight in which one boxer is slow and the other lucky punches him before he's got his cover up the first time, then the quicker boxer goes in up close and the hits keep coming till knockout. That's a form of meeting engagement.
The German Blitzkrieg style used some parts of this as well, most notably there was an understanding that a tank division is not very good in positional defence, it should rather defend the flanks of a breakthrough or a bridgehead by attacking. The aim was to overrun the hostile reserves as they move to attack themselves, but haven't deployed for a fight yet.
Both the Russian and the Ukrainian side are INCREDIBLY far from the state of art of warfare of 85 years ago and I'm convinced that this is not technology's fault. Technology does NOT keep them from being more competent on the offence.
We should understand that both sides are fairly incompetent at most things. They know most about the state of man-in-the-loop drone warfare and associated electronic warfare, and that's about all their top competence.
The Russian ground forces has been rotten for decades and the quickly mobillised troops are either old or poorly trained, period.
The Ukrainian army has been rotten till 2014, then it tried to get its act together (also lots of warbands/warlord armies/militias that were later integrated into the regular forces). Its budget and thus its means for training had been small until 2022, though. Now they have lots of old and too briefly trained troops that are nowhere near Western conceptions of proper training levels, though they do have wartime experience. Almost all of that wartime experience since 2014 was about positional warfare and attacks with limited objectives and limited means, though. Both old age of infantry and deep experience in positional defence are rather detrimental to breakthrough efforts.
Long story short: We do NOT see the state of art of offence and defence in Ukraine and Kursk Oblast. What we see there is more akin to watching the Iraq-Iran (Gulf) War during the 1980's, a war fought with 1970's equipment but (at most) WWI levels of competence.
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I doubt the German military would perform any better.
ReplyDeleteThank you for your educational example of "personal opinions are like assholes, everybody has one and they are usually full of shit". :-)
DeleteSorry for only writing the short version why I doubt such a mismanaged organization would do any better.
DeleteGermany would fighter together with allies and its armed forces were built with that in mind.
DeleteRegarding breakthrough & exploitation:
We could use a good number of guided bombs instead of using artillery for neutralisation. Artillery could be limited to newly acquired point targets, smoke and suppressive fires.
The biggest issue during breakthrough would be the traditional weakness against minefields. Keiler could only advance at about walking pace.
Exploitation could be done by pairing a tank and Panzergrenadier companies, relying on speed and artillery fires from a distance for indirect fires. A couple weeks intensive training would get the teams up to speed.
Weak spots would be
- easily jammed obsolete radios
- extreme casualty shyness inherited from Afghanistan bullshit
- practically no drones
- afaik no counter-drone jammers
- too few troops for more than local actions (certainly not bigger than the Kursk Oblast offensive)
- munitions stocks for only one operation
- no (explosive) ERA on AFVs
- heavy MBTs unsuitable for wet fields
- deconfliction
- NATO sickness (excessive procedures and HQ work)
- few personnel reserves; almost all replacement enlisted would have very brief training or arrive very late
The German army philosophy and command culture are AT THEIR ROOTS extremely suitable for both breakthrough and exploitation. There's some rot, muddying, Peter principle problems without reality checks and troublesome foreign influences, though.
* "Germany would fight together"
DeleteWhat Germany military?
DeleteI'm a pessimist regarding the alliance support that would materialize in case of conflict. I think, we need to prepare for an eventuality that Poland and Germany face the brunt of an attack and many allies only send token support. That would be a disastrous failure of NATO and the EU and what we assumed these were for everyone.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure, too, that the big frontlines and trench warfare are really again the reality of any big war on land. This is like the Spanish Civil War when many systems (many still in total infancy) were tested and in fact at the end everybody had their own conclusions about it, many times proved wrong or a generalization in WW2... of course air power proved important as drones are the new thing now, some things are quite clear.
ReplyDeleteWhat the Ukrainian War proves is that some resilience is needed, reserves of matériel and even a very tiny reserve of trained specialists that could form second rate/militia units... you never end an industrial war with only what you had at the beginning.
Of course the ''peace time'' army should be trained and equipped for breakthrough (+ encirclements) tactics. Winning by KO in a few punchs is the best way. Then you could face the reserves or the enemy with much more in any category.
Well, this ar shows that trench-based defences are relevant against Russians. Their weaknesses are systemic and can be traced back to the late 19th century at least. The current Russian forces (land, air and sea!) display ALL historically known Russian military weaknesses at the same time.
DeleteThey won't be able to shake off much of that anytime soon.
Basically, France+Poland+Ukraine would be a clear overmatch alliance to Russia already.
(And dimwits are pretending that NATO has to fear Russian attacks and needs to increase military spending. That's stupid or corrupt beyond my comprehension!)
Shouldn't France and Germany be more worried about America canibilising in the near future?
DeleteTrump has Blatantly stated his intend to annex some lands in the EU.
You are very STRANGE, Sven.
I dealt with that long before it happened
Deletehttps://defense-and-freedom.blogspot.com/2024/11/blog-posts-about-american-fascism.html
Strange indeed
My interpretation is less that the Russian military has no ability to for breakthrough, as seen that they can take land slowly using those same breakthrough tactics on a smaller scale using infantry scouting (or what passes as that by throwing poorly trained infantry to their death, mass artillery and glide bombs to identified positions and a platoon of better trained infantry to assault those bombed positions, but more that they have no ability to exploit.
ReplyDeletePerhaps they cannot mass successfully to exploit the gap, or Ukraine successfully manages to counterattack any exploitation, or perhaps local commanders have no orders to exploit, or do not see it as worthwhile to try to exploit.
The Russians don't do breakthrough. They do attacks with limited objectives.
DeleteTheir melting numbers of decent tanks with decent crews never got massed post-2022. I have not ever seen footage of battalion-sized AFV efforts. The most was company-sized. The defenders can use only so many radio-controlled drones at once due to limited bandwidth under ECM conditions. There's a critical mass of tanks necessary to saturate/overwhelm such a defence and the Russians haven't massed it in the last 2 1/2 years.
Moreover, exploitation demands properly motivated & trained forces. I don't think the Russians have those since they burned through their original VDV forces.
I don't understand, even with all the problems the Russians had (corruptiom, incompetence, totally underestimating their enemy) in 2022, since then they seem to never take the time to recreate a combined arms breakthrough unit on the divisions level at least... the Ukrainians seem to be overextended nearly everywhere so once such unit could penetrate their line it could lead to a major gain in territory. On paper they had massively the numbers of AFV and other things needed...only some more training and time for it was needed... they did way much more in times of the Soviet Union during WW2, when things were much more bleak for them... this war is really really strange.
DeleteEven germany was able to scrape together enough in late 1944 for Ardennes Offensive and Bodenplatte.
DeleteI suspect that Putin demands permanent offensive pressure, wants to avoid the impression of a stalemate or that UKR went on the offensive.
This would leave no room for setting aside troops and material for breakthrough or even exploitation efforts.
The whole affair may be more political than military to him.
He's an intelligence service officer by background; more into manipulation than into military stuff.
Hitler was a propagandist by background; he ordered nonsense like the Baby Blitz, the Baedecker bombings, V-1s without the (then feasible) precision attack electrical gear and repeated Stalin's 1941 mistake of ordering a stiff defence with last stands at the front line (which kinda worked in the winter 41/42 when withdrawal wasn't possible due to lack of sub-zero temperatures mobility anyway).
Yes the führerprinzip has to be on the highest level with Putin, even more now that he knows that the way the war goes is the way he will survive or not... maybe such ''elite'' units are really also feared, because some general (it seems there is no big names in the generals in this war, they are quite on the grey area) leading it could rise above the ranks and be cheared in Russia more that the big boss (Stalin eliminated Tukhachevsky and sent Zhukov to some really backward command after the war) , with some Bonapartism danger lurking... or maybe they lost so many of the specialized cadre in the first part of the war that they are now caught in a small infiltration/artillery attacks loop ...
DeleteOriginal Anonymous 27 January here. @SO, I don't have a military background so from my view, the Russian are using the same tactics needed for their "attacks with limited objectives" as would be for a breakthrough. The only difference is that from the intial stages of breaking the defensive line, they do not continue moving, nor have massed military material or support behind the attack to intend to keep moving. Hence my supposition that they have the ability to breakthrough, but no desire to exploit, whether that desire has a political cause or otherwise.
DeleteDoes the definition of a breakthrough necessarily entail a battalion scale effort? Does a breakthrough neccessitates a mass of tanks to count as a breakthrough? In all probability, I misunderstand what is meant by your usage of breakthrough. I cannot find how you have defined a breakthrough in your article at all.
Breakthrough and limited objective push forward are very different from each other.
Deletebreakthrough = full depth of defence penetrated before hostile reserves arrived to plug the gap (or something else stopped your advance)
The Russians are moving troops forward through several km perilous ground (FPV threat up to 9...20 km depth), then assault one section- to company-sized position with a varied set of infantry methods, AFVs not doing much of what they're supposed to do any more.
That's very far from a breakthrough effort.
A breakthrough effort would have massing of assault and exploitation forces, a proper arty fire plan, proper EW plan, proper obstacle breaching plans, it would strive to reach the rear positions before hostile defenders are ready for battle there. Then there would be the mobility, supplies, rested troops and AFVs (could be wheeled ones if ground is hard) to rapidly move beyond the defences with tasks beyond the breakthrough.
Here's my best bet for how breakthroughs may happen soon:
https://defense-and-freedom.blogspot.com/2024/09/breakthroughs-again.html
I see, so you regard the difference as mostly a question of time taken, and depth of penetration. Thank you. Such things are not obvious to a layman without definitions.
DeleteThe intention is different. "breakthrough" and "attack with limited objectives" can be taken literally.
DeleteDifferences in execution are necessary because breakthrough is much more ambitious.
Why is there so much demand for increased military spending? Is it about fighting more than Russia?
ReplyDeleteMany people didn't pay the slightest bit of attention to military affairs for decades, acquired zero competence on the topic. Then, suddenly, they realised that war in Europe is a thing again and coming from their own zero awareness of military spending they demand more military spending to face the threat.
DeleteAnd then there's the military-industrial complex including lobbyists who have vested interests in much military spending.
And then there's the media people who are part of group #1 and stupid enough to think that group #2 gives sensible advice on the topic of military spending and policy.
Sadly, nobody who combines facts with decent reasoning gets much publicity or much power.
It's obvious that the Russian armed forces are all cap quality, the Russians burned through the Soviet inheritance and are no threat to NATO at all at this point. France + Poland + Ukraine would together be able to inflict disaster on Russia&Belarus at will.
Yet somehow among all the actual struggles and challenges (infrastructure, public debt, decarbonisation, investing in future prosperity) we're supposed to waste several %GDP on unnecessary military power.
The near-nonexistent reaction to North Koreans in Europe showed that about nobody is really thinking about China, so that's not driving the discussion.
@SO:"France + Poland + Ukraine would together be able to inflict disaster on Russia&Belarus at will."
DeleteAlways somebody else; when is Germany, the most populous and wealthiest country in the EU going to take leadership?
What's fascinating about Western commentary regarding a given army's. competence is that it comes from a people who are UTTERLY terrified of any form of near to peer engagements, since at least WWII.
ReplyDeleteMaybe America should step in and show the Ukrainians instead of cowering at the sidelines.
Westerners should stick to advising other countries on how to lose to goat herding peasents carrying homemade AKs and IEDs, because that's all you are capable of at this point.
@anon:"Maybe America should step in and show the Ukrainians instead of cowering at the sidelines."
DeleteUkraine is not in NATO, ergo this is not an American war - maybe EUROPEANS should fight in EUROPEAN wars. And the EU will be paying to reconstruct Ukraine.
This cope is hilarious, Ukraine need not be in NATO for the US to intervene, the US has invaded MANY, MANY countries before for smaller infractions.
DeleteThere is no rule that states that the US can only go to war in Defence of NATO countries.
In fact, there is not a single instance in which the US faught a war in Defence of a NATO state.
Most certainly the US is deeply involved in instigating this conflict and has an interest on who gets to come out on top.
The reason the US isn't involved is that the Americans are quite cowardly and would much prefer to let the Ukrainians do the fighting.
And I am sorry, this is very much an American war, since it's fucking inception.
Americans are just UTTERLY incapable of engaging in near to peer, they can ONLY do COIN and information warfare, that's it.
@anon: "There is no rule that states that the US can only go to war in Defence of NATO countries."
DeleteKindly point to a single serious U.S. public opinion poll, administration commitment, or *funding* in Congress that supports such outrageous nonsense.
There is no appetite in the USA to support troops for peace keeping/enforcement or to fund reconstruction this EUROPEAN war.
Snide temper tantrums, irrelevant examples, and fantasy aside: you have badly misjudged the room: the EU will be paying to rebuild Ukraine.
* There is no appetite in the USA to support troops for peace keeping/enforcement or to fund reconstruction this EUROPEAN war. *
DeleteOf course, there isn't, you are much too cowardly for that, you can only fight some homemade AK wielding peasents in some desert.
The US is the Heina of countries.
Also the only thing European about that war is its location.
The rest of it is 100% American.
I don't see how this conflict may even only 50 % American considering that Rusdia started and is waging this wsr on Ukraine.
DeleteTrench warfare is degenerate warfare. It happens when both sides are either too weak or too incompetent to properly go on the attack.
ReplyDeleteWeakness seems to be the main cause for the Ukrainians, mixed with some incompetence, whereas incompetence is the likely cause on the Russian side; they've been continuously burning their reserves and fresh troops essentially at generation rate or even above for the past 1 1/2 years. Probably because they figured that based on previous actions and outside training (not to mention the cannibalization of training units for manpower), the Ukrainians would gain the upper hand quality wise if given breathing room.
This seems to have worked generally, as the Ukrainians seem to have had no time to properly build- and train up reserves, an issue exacerbated by the Ukrainian leadership stupidly delaying further mobilization until they were already deep in the red.
That should however mean, that the moment the Ukrainians do gain some breathing room, the pendulum should begin swinging in their favour. Even if they're incompetent by Western standards, it doesn't matter as long as the Russians are proportionally worse.
That being said, it is no wonder this is what happens when both armies' officer corps are from the Soviet lineage. "Deep Battle", even at it's best, was nothing more than a glorified version of a 1917 WW1 doctrine haphazardly updated to include modern equipment. WW2 forced them to unlearn some of that in favour of more modern and actually sensible doctrine, but post war and right up until today they immediately went back to it. It's obvious that WW1 era doctrines will produce WW1 era results.
You can just tell, it's an American who made this God awful comment, you can just tell by the sheer stupidity of it along with the complete lack of understanding of how real wars work.
DeleteWrong on both counts.
DeleteI think most of the people even remotely interested in the under the hood works of the Ukrainian war machine would agree that it's way closer to locally produced Zaporozhets than BMW. However satellites and wide use of different drones make it harder to accumulate large number of anything without an enemy noticing and attacking it. And Russians use enormous amounts of mines. In other words it ain't autobahn.
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